spoiler-type info about Survivor 19: Samoa?
Samoa general spoiler/ speculation summary
3-4, 2009: In what will be remembered as the (Not-So-)
Great S19/S20 Spoiler Pissing Contest of October 2009 (at least
until the next one), an avalanche of alleged spoilers were
dropped, mostly by not-so-new spoiler "missyae" and by
SurvivorsUnite at Sucks. Some of them are contradictory, some
of them are highly likely to be edited in the future as they
fall apart, but whatever. We'll try to compile each one's "story"
and sort out as much as possible.
We'll start with missyae's "spoilers", scattered over various
previous claim to fame was his inside knowledge of the filming
of Jenna Morasca's pro wrestling events, (among other things):
|- missyae 10/3/09
10:23 p.m. "Russell S WILL be the next to leave by injury."
|- missyae 10/4/09
12:45 a.m. "The next player
to be booted from the Game will be Yasmin from
Galu. The next player that will be booted from Foa Foa
when they go back to Tribal will be Ashley Trianer [sic.].
The next player to leave due to an injury will be Russell
Swan from Galu. This will happen
before the merge. The merge will
happen when there are 8 Galu members and 4 Foa Foa members.
You can easily see which Galu members make it - all but
Yasmin and Russell Swan. The first boot after
the merge will be Erik from
Galu. The word I got on him was \'hothead\' and playing
too aggressive. Dont believe Jeff Probst when he pimps
Natalie as if she is playing the game
and might not be with The Evil One - she is clearly in
his back pocket. Laura is the one running things at Galu.
Shambo will get along with Russell
H after the merge."
|- missyae 10/4/09
4:48 p.m. "Will they compare the brilliant Survivor mind
from Russell Hantz to those of Richard
Hatch and the others after going back to back
- final 3 - in both Survivor
19 and then hooking up with Parvati on 20 and going to
the final 3 there too?"
|- missyae 10/4/09
5:27 p.m. "Shambo will not win. She did not make the
|- missyae 10/4/09
5:40 p.m. "I did ask if - when Russell Swan leaves do
they have to vote out another player that week and I
was told - NO."
|- missyae 10/4/09
6:35 p.m. [talking about Russell
S.] "Dont know details
on his injury yet. I was led to believe it had something
to do with an injury he had in his past before playing
|- missyae 10/8/09
12:18 a.m. [referring to the upcoming Ep4] "Sure would
suck when Foa Foa finally wins a challenge if they didnt
get to send someone to the Galu camp."
|- missyae 10/8/09
12:47 a.m. "No car given away and no
We've given this one a different background color,
because whereas the others are merely unproven, this
one is almost surely wrong. EW's article on the Ep6
RC, "Roll With It" clearly states someone is removed
due to dehydration, and the challenge is never finished.
And Jeff Probst clearly said only two people removed
due to medical reasons this season. So there's no way
for Russell S. to be removed in Ep5, as missyae swears
is the case here. The only way for Yasmin and Russell
S. to leave, and no other Galus before merging at 12
is: (1) Yasmin booted in Ep4, (2) some Foa Foa booted
in Ep5, (3) Russell S. removed in Ep6 RC, and (4) another
Foa Foa booted in either Ep6 or Ep7.]
- missyae 10/8/09
2:43 a.m. (see also the reply, three posts down) "Okay
the way I am told the events happen is after Yasmin is
voted out this week - Russell Swan goes down during a
challenge - then Ashley is voted out for Foa Foa. After
that we have 1 more voted out for Foa Foa then we merge
with 8 Galu and 4 Foa Foa."
Moving on... also spoilers from SurvivorsUnite:
|- SurvivorsUnite 10/4/09 2:19 a.m. "No
tribal swaps. A Final
don't know that they actually merge a 12, by 10 they
are definitely merged.
Natalie consumes one of the final
3 chairs:)....who else sits w/ her???? Do ya really want
|- SurvivorsUnite 10/4/09
2:20 a.m. "Jury does start at 12 though."
|- SurvivorsUnite 10/4/09 4:02 p.m. "Um, I do not know much on Samoa. Just
Final 4...and the other few things I posted already (no
tribal swap, merge at 12, final 3 instaed of 2). I only
know that info b/c a certain someone has apparantly done
nothing but brag about how they not only took down Foa
Foa, but Galu as well."
|- SurvivorsUnite 10/4/09
10:14 p.m. "The second chair goes too.... Drum ROLLLLL!!!!!!!
It was in my not so subtle clue........that a poster
picked up on;) RUSSELL
|- (we're assuming
SurvivorsUnite will eventually get around to completing
this extended thought).
Our take: most of this seems generally plausible. Most
people had already picked Yasmin and Russell S. (or possibly
John) as the most likely early boots from Galu. Both agree
on a merge/jury start at 12. There is some apparent conflict
between missyae's and Redmond's
information regarding Ashley and Erik's performance (although
Redmond's "go far" is open to interpretation... maybe just
under half way is considered "far"). And both missyae
and SurvivorsUnite apparently agree that Russell H (no surprise)
and Natalie (who would be the designated mute/invisible woman
in the final three, yet was tellingly hyped
for no apparent reason by Jeff Probst)
are final three. Plausible.
But missyae is clearly getting some inaccurate
information as well, such as that impossible pre-merge boot
order. (We're also skeptical that they'd remove Russell Swan
at an unfinished RC and then not do an IC, since they needed
another double boot at some point, anyway). Follow uncritically
at your own risk.
13, 2009: Entertainment Weekly unveils a Dalton Ross
interview of Jeff Probst (apparently conducted during S20 filming,
Survivor: Samoa had wrapped, at least). Among the many
interesting perspectives it offers:
Probst's top characters: As in previous seasons,
the people Probst retroactively mentions as big characters should
provide at least modest clues as to longevity (especially with
Jeff Probst: "Other thing about Survivor:
Samoa is some huge
characters. Uh, some guys that just leap off the screen, from
day one, including...."
guy Russell [Hantz], who is, as far as I can tell, an evil
man, through and through. But what's really scary is that
he's so charming that I could see myself teaming up with
him, and even falling for some of his B.S. Even though
I know going in, he's evil. And that is, those are great
skills to bring into this game."
guy, uh, Ben, from this season. Big dude, Beverly Hills
bartender, cool, strong, a little scary, extremely opinionated….
He's somebody else you're gonna know."
a guy, Jaison. Big-time athlete, Stanford swimmer. But
he's also a very good thinker, I think that's somebody
people are going to notice."
of my all-time favorite characters, Shambo. Her name is
Shannon, but when we started, I said, you know, introduce
yourself, and she said 'Shambo.' And with that, created
this--I don't know if it's a character, or if it's actually
her--but she sports a mullet that she proudly dates back
to the eighties, and she says 'I will never cut it, it
is my identity.' And I think Shambo's going to be an audience
favorite. I'm not sure. But I think, rather than be annoying,
I think actually people like my Mom are gonna, going to
really like her, and relate to her. Because she's kind
of an everyperson. She just looks like a normal person,
she talks like a normal person, and she really loves Survivor."
The 'somebody gets tossed from a challenge' spoiler:
"We have some very physical challenges. Very physical. Very
physical. For the first time in the history of Survivor, I throw
somebody out of a challenge…. I'd say it's a pretty noteworthy
moment, considering we've run 500 some-odd challenges, never
come close to throwing somebody out of a challenge. And this
one was a no-brainer. The second it happened, done, out. Lucky
we didn't throw you out of the game!"
The chiefs twist:
thing we did in Samoa is we used part of the culture
in our creative. And in Samoa, right here in this island, that
we're on, the chiefs - each village has a chief, and the chief
actually does things. He or… you know, it's a he… he
is responsible for making decisions that are supposed to help
the community. That's sort of the idea. So we took that same
thing, and right off the bat, the two tribes are gonna do a blind
vote, and they're gonna have to elect a chief [Mick and Russell
S.]. And that person is going to have to make decisions on behalf
of the tribe. And the idea is: it won't be a [looks around] 'What
do we think, guys?', it will be What do YOU think? You're in
charge. Things like, here's a choice: Do you want comfort and
pillows, things like that, or do you want a tarp? And it plays
out. Very interesting who they pick, very interesting what happens
to the leaders, and just the whole notion of whether a leader
can survive in this game, coming into it with that target on
their back. And is it different if you say 'I want to be the
leader,' versus you were appointed the leader by your tribe."
September 3, 2009: As flagged by VolcanicGlass at Sucks, Jeff
Probst hints broadly that Russell H does well,
and that conditions were not so great in Samoa, during an interview
with the Canadian press:
Samoa showed a darker, more malevolent side
to paradise, explains Survivor host Jeff Probst of
the 19th season of reality TV's most durable, enduring survival
There were rascals in Survivor's paradise, Probst
reports - and paradise itself was not always what it was made
out to be, either.... Through it all, though, the wind howled,
the skies opened up and the castaways were drenched.
very beautiful - and it kicked the ass
of two people to the point where they had to be evacuated,' Probst told Canwest
News Service in a long, wide-ranging conversation. 'It was
hot, and then it rained. And it rained
for about a week. They didn't have fire. And they couldn't
get water. It was hard.
It was definitely hard.' "
"'I don't think there are any trends. I
think you can have coincidences, where a nice guy wins a couple
of times in a row. This season, we have one of our most dastardly
guys ever. One of the greatest villains
in our history. And this is our 19th season. He's had to beat
a lot of people. And somebody like that could still theoretically
win the game, if they pulled a Richard Hatch.... Nobody does that anymore,'
Probst said. 'Nobody gets up and says, "I kicked your ass;
now give me the money."'
That may change with Survivor: Samoa, Probst
27, 2009: CBS releases the full cast of Survivor:
Samoa on their official website.
Also, there's a press
release to go along with it, which mentions an opening
"Surrounded by coconut palms in a land steeped in tradition, the Samoans
who inhabit this island have a proud history and strong sense of community that
has enabled their own survival. From the start of the game, Survivor embraces
this Samoan culture by incorporating an ancient tradition of electing an individual
leader of the village. Without speaking, both tribes must immediately
choose one member of their group to become their sole decision maker, their chief.
How important will the role of tribal chief be in determining the fate of each
26, 2009: Probst gives an interview to IGN.com; excerpted
"A very aggressive season from the participants and from
Samoa. We lost a couple of people to evacuations
and we emerged with, I think, one of the most notorious villains.
When you think about how many years we've been on, to break into
that ranking… you
gotta play. And this person said from day one, "I'm coming
here to tear it up and either go home early or I'm gonna be here
late, but nowhere in between." And they lived up to their
24, 2009: In their first acknowledgement that the premiere
is just three weeks away, CBS airs its first set of ads for Survivor:
here). Among the hyperbole and mix of pre-game and
in-game confessionals, there are shots showing still-anonymous
contestants (plus Betsy and Ashley) on tribes. From the tribe
flags, it appears the yellow tribe is called "Foa Foa" and the
purple tribe is "Galu" (possibly "Fialu", hard to see - update:
looks like Galu). Below, we've tried to arrange people by tribes,
as much as possible:
14, 2009: CBS updates their Survivor website to reflect the approach
of the upcoming Survivor: Samoa season - ditching the bulk of
the Tocantins content, and adding a row of generic "cast"
pictures, presumably soon to be replaced by actual cast info.
We've stared at this for several days now (as of August 18th.
We've repoduced the picture above, but we've re-ordered
it into two rows and added numbers). Here are our considered
takes on the upcoming contestants:
- Contestant 1 (top row): Clearly quirky, with a strong independent
streak. Will either run the game, or get an early axe in the
- Contestant 7 (bottom row): Could stand to lose a little weight.
- Contestant 3 (top row): Casting someone this old and feeble
is clearly only intended to provide easy early pickings for the
- Contestant 6 (bottom row): Dark horse. Could go all the way.
- Contestant 5 (bottom row): Possible alliance with #6 (bottom)?
- Contestant 10 (top row): Typical generic mactor. Meh.
As you can no doubt tell, we could go on and on. But that would
silly, tiresome, and pointless.
July 27, 2009: No sooner are the Survivor:
Samoa tribe colors revealed, than images of the buffs
are discovered as well, by srvivrfreakevelrich,
as posted at Sucks's S19+ forum:
"OH MY GOD! I just found this on PlanetBuff.com!!! [images
of purple and yellow buffs]"
We've made our own copy of the buff images, below... no trace
of the blue one (yet) on the PlanetBuff site
that we could find:
July 26, 2009: Sucks poster guatemala
fanfic reveals some details about the nearly-forgotten
(already) Survivor: Samoa ("Cycle 19") season:
"Tribe colors are purple and yellow. The merged tribe is
July 26, 2009: Sucks poster Survivor2009 posts
the following unequivocal statement:
"guys, I know for a FACT that Survivor Samoa will have 20
contestants. dont ask me how i know cuz i obviously cant say,
but it has 20 contestants for sure."
16, 2009: In the rush of Survivor 20 news
(and otherwise complete absence of Survivor 19 news),
we neglected to mention that the starting and ending dates
for Survivor: Samoa (or, as Lynne Spillman would say,
Cycle 19) are above, and the final tribal council is looming
very near. So while we don't know exactly how the first few
episodes are chopped up to accomodate the 2 extra boots, the
last half of the calendar should
be reasonably accurate.
June 23, 2009: A local tour guide pops in
to update potential travelers that Survivor's filming in Samoa
is not signicantly interfering with tourists' sightseeing abilities:
Joined: Jun 2009
Posted on: 5:31 pm,yesterday
The survivor filming only close two beaches in whole
of Samoa. They are Return to Paradise, Matarewa beach both
at lefaga. and there is a small beach on the south coast
called Iliili beach resort where the loosers stay. There
are a lot of beautiful beaches and places to visit in Samoa
without visiting these 3 beaches. They could not take over
Aganoa black sand beach so that is good news because it is
one of my favourite beach in Samoa."
(Ed. note: Ponderosa-dwelling ex-contestants, wave to the
nice people with cameras!)
June 10, 2009: Sucks poster sa0695 notes
that one Andy Dehnart of Reality Blurred claims to be... indisposed
through mid-third week of June:
"I found this tidbit interesting from Andy Dehnart Reality
Blurred Website. For the past few seasons, he has traveled out
to location pre-show, interviewed contestants, and participated
in the first challenge with the press. Normally filming starts
around June 24thish... but perhaps they are beginning earlier
this year to give them a little more time between seasons if
they are filming back to back. He states: Holly Montag will
likely join the show tonight, and I will likely remain grateful
I am not being forced to sit through all of this because I'm
in a faraway land until mid-week next week.
So maybe the contestants are already on the way to Samoa, and
filming will begin earlier then usual."
June 9, 2009: As noted in a post by VolcanicGlass at
Sucks, Jeff Probst, apparently giddy to pimp his vanity show
(an attempt to one-up Ty Pennigton in schmaltzily exploiting
the misfortune of others for ratings gold) spilled the beans
about back-to-back filming of Survivors 19 & 20
in Samoa to the New York Post (although, to his credit,
few people would say "If it's in the Post, it
must be true!").
"Turns out that be cause Probst is shooting two seasons
of Survivor back to back -- he's currently in Samoa,
gearing up for the 19th season of the compet ition show -- he "can't
even start shooting [Live for the Moment] until the
end of September, when I'm back from double duty on Survivor.)"
May 25, 2009: VolcanicGlass (at
Sucks) posts a detailed, up-to-date, map-and-picture supplemented
compilation of reported location news, including this novel
"There's an article in the Samoa
Observer referencing an undeveloped stretch of land
on Fagaiofu Bay in the southern coast of Upolu. The land was
recently purchased for a resort development, to be named Survivor
Samoa Beach Resort once it is completed. As it is part of the
land which is to be used for the show, construction on the new
resort will be held off until after the show has finished filming."
VolcanicGlass also goes on to identify a number of locations
used for filming the post-Tocantins reunion preview
of Survivor: Samoa. Click
here to read the full thing.
May 22, 2009: DanieuBleau at SurvivorSkills uncovers
a Lonely Planet post listing a number of beaches on Upolu that
have been commandeered by the Survivor crew:
"Aggie Grey's Beach Resort & Spa near the airport is
booked out from sometimes soon until at least end of September.
Furthermore the following 3 beaches (all South Upolu) will be
closed for public access from May 12 through until October 4:
Matareva Beach (Lefaga)
Return to Paradise Beach (Lefaga)
Aganoa Black Sand Beach (Siumu)"
May 21, 2009: New Zealander Michael Field
opines in the Dominion Post (relevant parts pasted
"How hard will Survivor: Samoa be?
The problem for Samoa has been that the
delicate Americans involved in making the programme are not interested
in surviving - they want comfort.
Thus, they have taken over Aggie Grey’s Lagoon, Beach Resort,
at Satuimalufilufi, near the airport.
I’ve survived it several times, finding gruelling the part
between where you order a coconut from the fridge and wait two
long minutes for its delivery.
...And the last time I had to survive the original
Aggies hotel in Apia it was in the Marlon Brando Suite. It was
as tough as it sounds.
... Survivor have taken over a couple
of beaches, notably a place called Return to Paradise Beach on
Upolu’s south coast. It was last famous in 1953
when Gary Cooper starred in a movie there.
I’ve survived its warm waters and white
sands. We had to pay the matai to be there. Then we tried to
light a barbeque but could not as the wood was damp. A 10-year-old
village girl came by and did it for us.
...The locations suggest the “jungle” to
be used by Survivor is the area south west of the capital Apia.
It is where we went one day to hunt the fierce wild Lake Lanoto’o
May 20, 2009: Eagle-eyed samoasharkk posts
about a possible reward location at Sucks:
|samoasharkk at Sucks
"Local reports say filming will begin 'within a few days'.
The very cool possible reward canopy walk at Falealupo, on the
western tip of Savaii, is now 'closed for construction.'"
|May 18, 2009: VolcanicGlass
Phoenix) notes that (before filming has begun), CBS is already
selling a set of Survivor: Samoa t-shirts
in four colors: blue, turquoise, yellow and orange.
"Could be random colors, could be tribe colors. They
are consistent with the logo colors."
(As a counter-argument, she also notes
the comparable set of choices for Tocantins
in the three tribe colors of black, red and green, plus an
unused blue option).
CBS officially unveils Samoa as the location
of the 19th season of Survivor
, following the Tocantins
show. (Main highlight is the mention of 18 contestants).
Jeff Probst voiceover:
"This fall, Survivor ramps up for an incredible 19th season.
Deep in the exotic waters of the South Pacific, 18 strangers
will be abandoned on the rugged islands of Samoa. A tropical
paradise, straight from Robert Louis Stevenson's legendary tale, Treasure
. This majestic land of towering waterfalls, mysterious
rainforests, and a fierce warrior culture will be the castaways'
home for 39 days. Forced to work together, they must learn to
adapt, or they'll be voted out. In the end, only one will remain
to claim the million-dollar prize, and the title of Sole Survivor. Survivor:
, coming this fall."
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March 22, 2009:
Follow-up article from the New
, confirming previous stories about SEG
gobbling up hotel space in Samoa (excerpts below):
"No bed for NZ tourists after TV show hijacks accommodation
Hundreds of New Zealanders have had bookings
cancelled at a top Samoan resort so it could house crew for American
reality show Survivor
Aggie Grey's Lagoon Resort in Apia is closing during part of
its June to September peak season to accommodate production staff
for the CBS show.
The location was supposed to be secret, but details leaked out
via internet messageboards when holidaymakers were told they
had to cancel bookings.
The resort offered to house affected guests at the old Aggie
Grey's Resort and bus them to the new hotel's amenities, but
many are furious their holidays will be wrecked...."
March 6, 2009:
the following summary of evidence that Survivor 19 will be
filmed in Samoa (excerpted):
"Samoa may host Survivor 19
will be filmed
in Samoa, according to several news reports from the region,
although those reports claim journalists there are being asked
to not report on the production.
Lance Polu wrote a critical editorial on Talamua.com
last month about Samoan journalists being invited to a meeting
by government officials, where they were asked to not report
on the production of an American television show at a meeting.
A production representative 'asked that the name of the series
be kept out of the media until an official announcement in
May. Their logistics team is ariving in Samoa in April and
they expect none of their activities to be reported by the
"... it will be filmed 'a short distance
from a couple of luxury hotels and Faleolo International Airport
which is just three hours from Auckland.'
New Zealand’s Stuff picked up the story recently and
said the show 'is to be filmed later this year in Samoa but
Samoan journalists are being heavily pressured not to reveal
this until May,' but the report has since been deleted...."
"There are also far sketchier rumors
online that the series will return to the place that hosted
the show’s ninth season, Survivor Vanuatu, or the the
13th season, Survivor Cook Islands, although a Survivor
says Cook Islands will be used in the fall
for season 20."